No More Sea.

Throughout the Scriptures, both Old and New Testament, the seas and oceans represented Chaos and wickedness. These large and deep bodies of water are host to the mighty unknown, and reckless and destructive power. Even in our modern age our titian vessels and ports cannot withstand the devastating power of the seas. Only God has the power to control the mighty seas. God separated the waters of the Red Sea, and closed them on the invading army. and when Jesus calmed the storm that was about to swallow the disciples as they were on the water, this was the major turning point for them to recognize Jesus as God.

God spends 3 days ordering and separating the waters in Genesis chapter 1.

Day 1: The Earth is formless and void, and the Spirit of God was moving over the waters. Gen1:2

Day 2: God separates the water to form the sky and the seas. Gen 1:6&7

Day 3: God gathers the seas and lets dry land appear. Gen 1:9

*It is interesting to note that God is never recorded created the waters. The waters are just there, just as evil is there in the Garden of Eden to tempt mankind after creation.

The waters represent chaos. However, God does not remove the chaos, but he organizes and separates it, causing good to rise from it. Like all things evil seeks to destroy God can use to form life. Jesus claimed “I am the resurrection and the life,” a claim the God of the Old testament establishes on many occasions. God gives life to the barren womb of many, and springs of living water in the midst of the desert..

Furthermore, it seems like from the beginning God did not intend to destroy the chaos, but to order it. To me this parallels God’s allowance for man to choose evil that was provided in creation. Although evil was not God’s intention for man.

Then at the time when mankind’s choice for chaos and wickedness had almost overwhelmed his love for God, God released the waters of chaos unto the earth to cleansed it and humanity. God used the very representation of the thing man was seeking for in place of God to bring his judgment. The flood also used to foreshadow the coming judgment fallen humanity will face before the Holy God in 2 Peter.

However, when all is said and done. Once evil is finally destroyed. The waters of chaos will also be done away with.

“Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.”

(Revelation 21:1)

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  1. “It is interesting to note that God is never recorded created the waters. The waters are just there, just as evil is there in the Garden of Eden to tempt mankind after creation.”

    can such a comparison really be made? sure evil is not an actual entity and was not created by god but the sea was. or are you saying that god did not create it either but only gave order to it?

    • thekeynote00

      I would refer you to a previous post I wrote, How Could God Allow Evil To Exist, in which I addressed the complicated question about the problem of evil. The typical christian apologetic fails to answer this question. In fact just like the creation of the waters, the Bible is mute as to its inception…. except that it was just there at some point. Remember the Serpent did not create evil, nor did man, nor is it something that can be created. So what is it and where did it come from?

      • i think that you’ve misread my post. i was not questioning why evil exists but rather i was asking for a clarification on what you had meant by the part which i had quoted. from my perspective your comparison between evil and the waters is faulty. while god did not actively bring evil about, he did actively bring the sea into beginning. unlike evil (which in a manner of speaking is “just there”) the waters weren’t just there but were actively brought about by god as gen. 1:1 tells us.

      • thekeynote00

        I might still have to disagree…
        If God’s end goal is to destroy evil like he plans on doing with the seas, why have it at all to begin with? The same could be asked about evil.
        Why allow evil?

        And the answer is not about freewill…
        Because if God made us with the capacity to “do” evil then he intern introduced evil, because he is the prime mover in creation.

        And God who is not evil, cannot be the creator even it was just second hand.

        The creation is more about order then it is about creating. Its all about kinds, and places, and spheres.

        So for you to see God creating the waters which represent chaos in the Hebrew world, then God is the creator of chaos and evil.

        I rather see the Bible being mute on this subject then to see God is ying yang force in the universe. The creator of all things good and bad.

        Good and evil are not the question… what is is that God orders the creation and when it is ordered then it is good, and life can spring forth from it. There would have always been a need for pruning and rules in the garden. Eden was not perfect or static. Eden needed structure and order to stay “good.” When this order was disrupted like the chaos was introduced like the flood.

        The image of God’s Spirit hovering over the waters is not a bright picture. Its a dark image. The only other place that term “void” is used, its used in reference to a desolate and destroyed city. This why even believe in a pre-adamite creation narrative. (but that’s another topic)

  2. charityposey

    So, let me get this straight…the sea is metaphorical?

    • thekeynote00

      I would say it’s a “Type” It can be seen and used as a representation of something else. I would not say its a metaphor in the sense that these “water’s” are not real only, and are only used to represent of evil.
      However, I think the strongest characteristic of God revealed in the creation narrative, is not that he creates, but that he orders. Creation is broken down into 6 days. The 7th day God rested as a reference point for how we are supposed to live. In each day God not only creates something, but he orders it into its perspective sphere. This is the focal point of the creation narrative.

      • charityposey

        Hmmm, I never really thought of it like that. It makes me think of things a wee bit different! Hmm lol

  3. for some reason i couldn’t find the reply button on your last post so i’ll just type my reply here. first we need to differentiate between evil and the sea. evil is a non-entity, and the sea isn’t. god called the waters good; he has yet to call evil, good. what does the sea consist of? it is a large body of water. what does evil consist of? it is an action, thought or thing that is contrary to a real good. will there be water in heaven? yes there will be. so that means that water isn’t evil but rather it means that there would be no great bodies of water on the near earth. the waters aren’t evil in themselves but it is only their largeness that make them daunting for humans. so water in itself cannot be a representation of evil because there would still be water on the new earth.

    now you say that god created evil; and that is false. evil is not a thing but rather a lack of a thing. to have the capacity to do evil is not the same thing as for evil to exist. evil only exists when it is actualized so before creation, there was no evil because it is impossible for god to do evil. true man was given freewill and therefore had the capacity to do evil but that does not mean that evil was created at that point. there was the option to do evil but not evil itself. and option and the thing in itself are two different things. in as much as that while i have the option of becoming a husband (in a few years) i am not a husband at the moment and hence the me that is a husband does not exist. in much the same way evil does not exist when it is not actualized. god did not create evil, the first sinner created evil because evil only exists when it is done. i do not understand what you mean by, “And God who is not evil, cannot be the creator even it was just second hand.” there is no such thing as a secondhand creation; god only gave men the capability to choose evil…evil was ‘created’ by the devil when he rebelled (this does not mean that the devil has some kind of power that god does not…evil is actually a form of lack of power) and therefore became the first sinner. the option to sin and the sinning itself are two very different things. the option to sin falls in a neutral category because it is not in itself evil…it is rather the choice to sin that is evil. again evil only exists when it is actualized.

    now what i mean to say about all of this is that when god creates a new heaven and new earth, there will be no more evil but there will still be water. hence water is not something that is evil.

    god tolerates evil because at this moment, it is a punishment on those who have sinned, and it serves to distinguish those who would follow him from those who won’t. in short, he hasn’t destroyed it as of yet because he is using it to serve his purpose.

    • thekeynote00

      I’m sorry for my delayed response.
      Just because something is not visible or an action has never been expressed does not mean it does not exist.
      However even if I were to agree with you, the fact that God created man with the ability to sin means he introduced evil into the created world. Because thought creation he created the option to.sin. He gave sin and evil it’s open gate into the world… Remember he had foreknoweldge of what man would do.

      Lastly I was never saying the waters are “evil” but that they represent evil. Like any biblical type or forshadow it only relates so far.

  4. cronos08

    First off… “*It is interesting to note that God is never recorded created the waters. The waters are just there, just as evil is there in the Garden of Eden to tempt mankind after creation.” If i’m understanding you correctly then the basis of what you are saying is that God didn’t create the waters because he is never recorded actually creating the waters… I beg to differ first off because if what you are hinting to were true then that would mean that the waters of the earth have always been just as God has always been… Sorry bro no can do on that one… Secondly Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth” Then we can go into Genesis 1:2 “The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” God created the waters right there sir. The earth at this point wasn’t the earth that we would think of… But really just the waters being formless and void… It’s not until later that God makes land. But still being that he created the waters. Lastly i have to agree with methodus on this one. The water was created and if everything that was created was good then the waters cannot be evil. Now evil God did not create but was always an option for created beings to succumb to… But water was created and was considered good by God. Now remember all of creation at one point was considered good by God. So water cannot be compared to evil. Water being created by God good is not evil. Evil being not created by God and is an action as methodus put it is well evil. And to bring an end to my comment i’m not sure how or where you are getting this water represents chaos thing. It doesn’t add up biblically if you look at the creation account.

    P.S. Bro you should give me a call at some point but thats just a side note… lol God Bless man

    • thekeynote00

      You make a good point when you argue, “God saw what he had created and called it good.”
      I have trained you well. LOL

      My answer to this question then of how God could have called creation good, yet the water still represent evil/chaos?
      If this evil/chaos is not a created “thing” and in creation God only ordered and limited the “waters” (which is all we see him do. Genesis 1:1 is ambiguous, it could be a general introductory statement for the 2 chapters that follow it.) Why could God not call his work “good.”
      Is is not a good thing when we took a already formless and void world consumed by the “waters” and ordered them so life could be planted?
      I would call that “good!”
      Wouldn’t you!?

      I would admit this is not a traditional evangelical view of Genesis 1. However when you place Genesis 1 creation narrative next to other ancient near-eastern creation narratives like the Enûma Eliš, the God of Genesis stands out not as the god who battles against evil/chaos, but orders it.

  5. cronos08

    “I have trained you well.” Lol yes, yes you did. But my question is this… How can you see it as though God did not create the waters??? That would mean that God did not create all things but rather created somethings. that something or someone else created the waters and he was finishing the job… Or that as God has always existed the waters have as well. The only way to get that the waters represent chaos and evil is if you view it this way… To that i must disagree and hold to what i said earlier.

  6. thekeynote00

    Well, its not that i don’t think God didn’t create them. My original point was just to link all the ways the “waters” represent evil/chaos in the biblical mindset. And so just as the Bible is “mute” about the creation od the water is is also mute on the origin of evil.

    Like I said, the “waters” are only a type, a metaphor of sorts. They are not a 100% parallel illustration of evil/chaos.

    Genesis starts off “in the beginning…” but what was there before the beginning?
    How long was it before the beginning?

  7. cronos08

    huh good question… lol

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